Inkling 2 Small

(thinkingmachines.ai)

67 points | by Philpax 2 hours ago

10 comments

  • Jackobrien 1 hour ago
    The best open models today have been “good enough” to do most knowledge work for a few months. This might be the first US one good enough too. That’s a big deal.

    Open weight US based Opus 5.5 within 12 months.

    • npc99 11 minutes ago
      Inception Mercury 3 and Particle-1's model are also good.

      (I am assuming Inception is an American company, not sure TBH)

    • kadoban 1 hour ago
      > Open weight US based Opus 5.5 within 12 months.

      Seems unlikely. Maybe open weight at all near there? That'd be great.

      • wolttam 38 minutes ago
        People say this about the frontier every time, and the open models catch up in a matter of months every time.
        • kadoban 7 minutes ago
          The open models catch up, the _US_ open models catch up much more slowly. Different incentives and cultures.
      • p-e-w 48 minutes ago
        Why does that seem unlikely? The difference between frontier and open weights has been much less than 12 months for a while now.
        • satvikpendem 44 minutes ago
          US open weights are much worse, way more than 12 months apart compared to frontier.
        • kadoban 10 minutes ago
          > Why does that seem unlikely? The difference between frontier and open weights has been much less than 12 months for a while now.

          Frontier and open weights? Yes.

          Frontier and _US_ open weights? No.

          I'd expect a US open weights provider to suddenly get bought or go non-open if they get near Opus 5.5 anyway.

  • epsteingpt 1 hour ago
    It's a nice, domestic open weight model.

    Without hundreds of millions in 9 days a small team is producing a model that can beat DeepSeek 4.1 and a platform to tune it.

    Optimistic for the future.

  • Neywiny 23 minutes ago
    I feel like this is a dumb question, but why are we spending any effort on wine comparisons? Is there a way to get rid of experts on these to just be ones for code?
    • kccqzy 14 minutes ago
      What if your coding project is related to wine? So you would want facts about wine to be inside the weights, not through web search.
  • a11r 1 hour ago
    Very refreshing to see benchmarks where the reporting team is not the clear winner. They are claiming to be better than GLM 5.3 flash, which is impressive if it holds up outside of benchmarks.
  • syntaxing 1 hour ago
    I can’t seem to find the cost? The craziness of deepseek flash 1017 is how ridiculously cheap it is for how capable it is.
    • Bolwin 1 hour ago
      AA lists it as $0.30/0.03/1 and cost per task is $1.18, about double that of deepseek
      • syntaxing 47 minutes ago
        It’s about 2-3X more expensive so about the same token efficiency as 1017. I can see this being a good option for the US.
      • kadoban 57 minutes ago
        Wow, that's pretty good.
  • tcdent 1 hour ago
    Is it SOTA yet? No. Are the domestic open weights labs demonstrating incredible velocity? Undeniably.
    • bashtoni 1 hour ago
      Distillation is the tide that lifts all boats
      • epsteingpt 1 hour ago
        Imagine if Mira Murati and John Schulman actually know what they're doing?
        • tcdent 49 minutes ago
          Given the time to market and the date in which these labs were founded, I find it far more likely that the lag was representative of them establishing proper internal (RL etc) tooling.
  • ddxv 1 hour ago
    This is amazing! Can't wait to trying this out. Also, crazy that I found this on LinkedIn with more upvotes and discussion than the HN thread has.
  • lostmsu 1 hour ago
    > Small: 594 billion parameters

    cries in GPU racks

    • colingauvin 43 minutes ago
      You could probably run a Q2-Q3 with 2x DGX Sparks. So...$12k at today's prices. Plenty of folks are running DS 4.1 Flash with Strata and some GPU + bulk in system memory. Maybe more like $3k-$4k? But speeds come down quite a bit.
  • jazzyjackson 1 hour ago
    I don’t like it. Poor form to squat on an old companies name like that, one which has a rich legacy in AI. I know the trademark was cancelled so all I can say is I don’t like it.
  • singpolyma3 47 minutes ago
    So basically comparable to DS4.1? But why bother to make something we already have?
    • multisport 29 minutes ago
      Because its american.
      • singpolyma3 13 minutes ago
        lol
        • reasonableklout 9 minutes ago
          Sovereign open source AI is a real thing, lots of companies want to own their own intelligence but also don't trust the models coming out of China.