OpenBSD 8.0

(openbsd.org)

479 points | by privong 1 day ago

23 comments

  • ctolsen 1 day ago
    I've used OpenBSD the last year or so (as a bastion/jump host for a few systems) after using *BSD systems very little for probably the past decade, and... good lord I love it so much.

    Say what you want about the benefits of systemd or the usefulness of other parts of what is now unavoidable with Linux, and I won't argue with many of them, but OpenBSD just feels like a *nix system is supposed to. `ps aux` is like 10 entries at first. `pf` makes so much sense. `man` pages are consistently incredible. The security/cryptography focus, managing services, pledge/unveil... so many things about it is just *chef's kiss*.

    It's not and will probably never be a daily driver for me and it may not fit your use case for anything, but I highly recommend playing with it.

    • deltarholamda 1 day ago
      >`man` pages are consistently incredible

      I love this part of OpenBSD so much. FreeBSD is very good as well on this front. Sometimes the terseness of the man pages gets to me, but it's all there.

      I used OpenBSD as a daily driver way back, somewhere around v3.5, on a somewhat elderly Thinkpad. It was perfectly adequate. I still use it for various systems that I pretty much just set and forget. Extremely reliable, and pf is top tier.

      • bananamogul 23 hours ago
        OpenBSD man pages are the Sistine Chapel ceiling of man pages. Just glorious.
    • pjmlp 1 day ago
      It is kind of ironic the whole Linus vs Tanenbaum argument, given the amount of processes running on any modern Linux distribution.
    • so-cal-schemer 17 hours ago
      It is a heck of a system. I love it too.

      I have CD distros from 2.1, 2.3, 2.4, and 2.5 in a drawer somewhere. I wish I bought more merch over the years:

      https://www.openbsd.org/tshirts.html

      This looks down atm; hopefully it will be up again soon:

      https://openbsdstore.com/

      • so-cal-schemer 11 hours ago
        It worked great on a home lab of old salvaged sparc stations, 68k macs, and 32bit PCs.
    • bcvvvy 1 day ago
      I’ve used it on and off since about 1999. It certainly feels more like Unix than anything else.
  • k310 1 day ago
    I am not on board with the graphic, whatever the heck it is.

    https://www.openbsd.org/images/blowfishonbike-s.gif

    • rektlessness 1 day ago
      Forget the artwork and check out the accompanying song and lyrics for the new release. I think it's one of the funnier ones so far. https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#80
      • ChrisRR 1 day ago
        Just as cringeworthy as the QT4 dance
        • kvuj 1 day ago
          To me that cringiness is oh so wonderful. Everyone is so weirdly afraid of their image, of how others think of them.

          We've become sterile; caricatures of ourselves so that we can adhere to the groupthink. It's refreshing to see people unashamed to be themselves, with all of their weird parts.

      • torcete 1 day ago
        It lost one eye, but that's ok, it still has two left.
      • DASD 1 day ago
        Nice! Think there was a gap in release-accompanying songs from 7.4 to 7.8 or I missed them. Seems they are back on track now.
      • rustyhancock 1 day ago
        Is it a pun?

        The Simps on AI

        The Simpson AI?

        And then the 3 eyes fish makes a reference to Blinky

        https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Two_Cars_in_Every_Garage_an...

      • Bankq 1 day ago
        “Back in my day we didn't have artificial intelligence, we had real stupidity - and we liked it.”
        • mehmetd46 1 day ago
          Real stupidity is still available, you just have to opt in. Yesterday I spent an evening writing Game of Life in Prolog for no good reason, and it gave me 941 live cells instead of 18,885 because my neighbour rule counted diagonals twice. Finding that bug by hand was more fun than anything an agent did for me that day. The pointless tinkering didn't go away, we just have to choose it now.
          • JohnKemeny 1 day ago
            Now implement Prolog in your Game of Life and observe the Universe fold in on itself.
    • so-cal-schemer 1 day ago

           ACHTUNG!  ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS!
      
      Alles touristen und non-technischen looken peepers! Das computermachine ist nicht fuer gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und poppencorken mit spitzensparken. Ist nicht fuer gewerken bei das dumpkopfen. Das rubbernecken sichtseeren keepen das cotten-pickenen hans in das pockets muss;

      relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten.

      • BoppreH 1 day ago
        Man, I love the spirit of the blinkenlights warning, but the "cotten-pickenen hans" bit makes it hard to use the original for anything.
        • so-cal-schemer 1 day ago
          Yeah.. the last line is enough for the reference.
        • frumplestlatz 21 hours ago
          I can't see why; it's a goofy 20th-century colloquialism popularized by Bugs Bunny cartoons as a substitute "damn". I sincerely doubt the original author meant anything else.
    • somat 1 day ago
      I suspect it is social commentary on the dangers of letting the machine do all your thinking for you.
      • sumnole 20 hours ago
        Or merely a single portrayal of a puffer subject to the socio-technological forces of this generation.
    • Guestmodinfo 1 day ago
      I really like OpenBSD. I have used it for years. I feel the folks there are very helpful and awesome but I also do not like that graphic.
      • somat 1 day ago
        You are not supposed to, it is intended to represent(and probably is) a machine generated image.

        I have not really formalized my thoughts on the matter, but it boils down to. It feels great to get the machine to generate a thing for you but it feels terrible to receive a thing from somebody that is machine generated.

        The worse part is the paranoia, Now I am seeing "tells" of machine generated content, and it may or may not be. But I have already lost interest.

        The real irony would be that it is a hand drawn image carefully animated to feel machine generated.

        • sroerick 1 day ago
          Credit is given to yvaneht nioj and clanker
          • TheAmazingRace 1 day ago
            Yeah. To me, I feel like Theo de Raadt is being a comedian here, and the joke probably went over some heads.
            • sroerick 23 hours ago
              I thought it was hilarious
            • account42 1 day ago
              If your joke is to smear your face with shit, don't be surprised when people aren't laughing with you.
      • samtheprogram 1 day ago
        To be fair, I'm reading it as satire of AI. So not liking it is kind of the point.
      • k310 1 day ago
        I mainly don't like the self-destructive aspect. Even if it's a spoof.

        Especially when I see all the self-destructive goings-on in the world, based on senselessly divisive beliefs or just the power-seeking that generates them to divide and conquer.

        I once met Ken Bering, "The Wheelchair Guy" whose foundation provided wheelchairs for people who could not afford them. The wheels weren't spiked, nor were they like a Seinfeld episode, where George donates a cheap wheelchair with poor brakes that sends its occupant down a steep hill.

        Oh well.

      • jart 1 day ago
        They're just showing humility. Give them a break.
      • dylanz 23 hours ago
        It's satire
      • GalaxyNova 1 day ago
        that's the point
    • weitzj 1 day ago
      I would guess it is the pelican on a bicycle reimagined ;)
      • Cthulhu_ 1 day ago
        And a reference to a meme of someone sticking a pipe into their own bike and complaining about someone else.
      • cavoirom 1 day ago
        We need to find out which LLM was used to generate this benchmark image, it is the frontier now!
    • xnorswap 1 day ago
      I don't like it being 8MB and taking 53 seconds to download from this server!

      It's rare to even see a "real" gif rather than webm or other optimised format, I don't know if that choice is part of the commentary or not.

    • exhilaration 1 day ago
      I would just like to say that the Simpsons Already Did It: https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Blinky
      • zote 1 day ago
        The theme this time is from The Simpsons, so yeah that is where they got it from. https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html
      • bentley 1 day ago
        Wow, that’s a weird coincidence.
        • GeorgeWBasic 1 day ago
          It's not a coincidence. The song is called "The Simps on AI". They're definitely referencing Blinky.
          • ChrisRR 1 day ago
            Sometimes I'm genuinely surprised that people can't recognise such obvious sarcasm
            • avadodin 1 day ago
              Earth was created six thousand years ago and we were running short on souls so we had to borrow a few chips from xAI.
          • messe 1 day ago
            The art is credited to yvaneht nioj, another simpsons reference.
    • enriquto 1 day ago
      > I am not on board with the graphic, whatever the heck it is.

      They are purposefully iconoclast with whatever aesthetics are "socially acceptable" for mainstream nerds. For example, their use of comic-sans in official presentations. Here they use ridiculous slop in front of an audience of conservative unix hackers. You can find it funny with the right mindset.

      The upgrade mechanism from 7.9 to 8.0 is still gloriously simple, and exactly the same as it has been for many years :

          ssh myopenbsdbox    # log-in to your machine
          doas sysupgrade     # will log you out, go drink some coffee
          ssh myopenbsdbox    # log-in to the upgraded machine
      
          doas sysmerge       # (optional) solve merge conflicts of your cfg files
          doas pkg_add -u     # (optional) upgrade local packages
      • nanolith 1 day ago
        Don't forget: doas syspatch. They tend to find some minor issues rather quickly after release.

        Since I maintain my own custom patch set under OpenBSD, this is also usually when I need to vendor in the new release and update all of my patches.

        • gigatexal 1 day ago
          Yup. I have heard the siren call. I’ll be putting it on an old fanless sbc router I have that is just sitting around since I upgraded.

          What window managers is everyone running? I’m thinking i3 or dwm

          • enriquto 1 day ago
            > What window managers is everyone running? I’m thinking i3 or dwm

            everyone is running different managers... I use evilwm on linux and cwm on openbsd. They are very similar (keyboard-driven, floating windows with no frames) with different default keybindings.

          • nanolith 1 day ago
            I use a custom dwm.
            • grumbling7490 1 day ago
              I thought that's just dwm :)
              • nanolith 18 hours ago
                That should be the case, but you'd be surprised how many people just run stock dwm. I don't get it.

                All of the "suckless" distributions beg to be patched.

                • gigatexal 17 hours ago
                  Is there a nice place curating the best patches? Or a bespoke distribution of sorts for dwm?
                  • nanolith 17 hours ago
                    The best place to go for curated patches is here. You can customize these or roll your own once you have a chance to examine the source code. dwm is very simple.

                    https://dwm.suckless.org/

      • sidkshatriya 1 day ago
        > The upgrade mechanism from 7.9 to 8.0 is still gloriously simple, and exactly the same as it has been for many years

        The upgrade mechanism on a typical Linux distribution is _even more_ gloriously simple, and exactly the same as it has been for many years.

          # Fedora/RHEL
          $ sudo dnf upgrade -y
        
          # Debian/Ubuntu
          $ sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y
        
          # Arch Linux
          $ sudo pacman -Syu
        
        
        The false distinction between the OS packages and user local (/usr/local) packages during upgrade causes much unneeded complexity. FreeBSD is making this go away which is welcome.
        • enriquto 1 day ago

              # Debian/Ubuntu
              $ sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y
          
          But this is equivalent to syspatch && pkg_add -u , this does not upgrade the computer from one version of the OS to the next.
          • sidkshatriya 1 day ago
            For a rolling release like Arch Linux you just always use pacman -Syu.

            But yes you are correct, if you want to upgrade a Ubuntu distribution like 26.04 you do need to issue a command like `sudo apt dist-upgrade` which is admittedly an additional command. But then you could run 26.04 for many years. In OpenBSD anytime the base system/kernel is upgraded for a security fix or point release you need to do a slightly more complex dance.

            • lproven 21 hours ago
              > a command like `sudo apt dist-upgrade`

              That is still wrong.

              The correct form is `apt-get dist-upgrade` but that's just the command to update all packages to the latest versions in the same release of the OS. It is the equivalent of `apt full-upgrade` if you have the more modern `apt` command rather than `apt-get`.

              So, no, that will not upgrade your distro.

              The recommended course of action for Debian is to edit the repository config files, change to the new release names, and then do a full update.

              It's a big job.

              https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/release-notes/upgradi...

              Ubuntu wraps this in simpler tools: `do-release-upgrade` from the shell, or Software Updater for GUI users.

              I just upgraded my Ubuntu 24.04 box to 26.04, and my OpenBSD 7.9 box to 8.0. OpenBSD is quicker and easier.

        • Perz1val 1 day ago
          I'm pretty sure it takes more to move debian 11 to debian 12 and Arch doesn't even have versions
          • miah_ 1 day ago
            Arch upgrades are really fun if you don't run pacman for a year or more. It rarely works in your favor to not run pacman on a extremely frequent schedule.
        • so-cal-schemer 1 day ago
          Hey, you'd love this one:

            guix pull && guix system reconfigure
          
          To undo, it's:

            guix roll-back
          
          (now, where is guix-bsd?..)

          https://guix.gnu.org/manual/1.5.0/en/html_node/Upgrading-Gui...

        • tylerius 1 day ago
          And don't forget to cross your fingers so the upgrade does not break your system... like what happened to me when systemd came out.
        • IslandRebel 1 day ago
          A typical Debian upgrade process is more involved than that.
    • st_goliath 1 day ago
      OpenLSD, bicycle day edition?
    • Cordiali 1 day ago
      It's a reference to your basic 'Baton Roue' meme.

      I assume it's meant to represent the perspective of pro-AI people, but it's ambiguous.

    • jamal-kumar 1 day ago
      Puffy's always looked kind of weird. I remember when they gave the damn fish human lips a few times and it always put me off
    • benrutter 1 day ago
      This is an amazing image, I am fully on board with whatever it is.

      Is the animation comically slow for anyone else?

      • 10729287 1 day ago
        I love it too. It's nice to be able to enjoy some art with personality when everything out there is inoffensive and bland art.
      • Perz1val 1 day ago
        that's the gif loading, it should be fast once it's done
    • vladde 1 day ago
      similar on the front page https://www.openbsd.org/index.html , "UNDSREA LREER"

      it seems very much like social commentary.

    • jeffrallen 1 day ago
      It's like a pelican on a bicycle, but with social commentary.
    • larodi 1 day ago
      Tell me tis not AI, cause it sure as hell looks like one.
    • dylanz 23 hours ago
      It's satire
    • j3th9n 1 day ago
      It is clearly AI generated and that’s the message.
    • Razengan 1 day ago
      It's literally in the name
    • ant0ni 1 day ago
      it's a parody of LLM generated images, referencing the pelican benchmark. I suppose the image itself is hand -drawn and stylized for genAI slop
    • imwally 1 day ago
    • IncRnd 1 day ago
      That's Puffy, a yellow, spiky pufferfish, on a bike.
    • colesantiago 1 day ago
      And so it begins.

      SlopenBSD.

      Disappointing OpenBSD is and all of software is descending into slop.

      Don't care if it is satire or not.

      • account42 1 day ago
        Agreed. Lowering yourself to the level of the AI drones is the first step to becoming one of them.
    • sippingabonedry 1 day ago
      Before they were anti-AI edgelords, they were anti-VM edgelords.

      Now they ship their own hypervisor in the base system.

      • bentley 1 day ago
        I don’t think the theme is “anti‐AI.” I think what it’s trying to express is something along the lines of “take responsibility for your code,” where one’s code is the code one unleashes upon the world.

        But that’s just my interpretation.

      • QwenGlazer9000 1 day ago
        It's not that they were anti VM, they just didn't think it was a proper security boundary.
        • tosti 1 day ago
          And they've been proven correct. Even the "secure" variety with hardware level encryption turned out to be vulnerable.
          • iamnothere 1 day ago
            Even Xen (VM used by Qubes) periodically has CVEs, although they don’t always affect Qubes due to additional layers of defense and/or limited hardware targets.
            • jon128 22 hours ago
              CPU flaws are even more daunting. OpenBSD's BDFL, Theo De Rhaadt, had what some called harsh but accurate words for Intel CPUs when Meltdown was uncovered.

              Rhaadt and Stallman have something in common in that they have been vindicated in near biblical proportions, often far long after presenting their stance and having been casually derided for it.

              There is today still no real mitigation for the side channel flaws collectively named Spectre flaws. A look at Jonathan Perry's work, adjacent to the side channel stuff, tells us that most modern CPUs still not end of life today are truly single-tenant.

              When reading AWS' writing on side channel flaws, someone who skims that writing will leave with a different conclusion than someone who reads what AWS has shared in its entirety and reads it slowly.

              The only truly effective way to isolate applications effectively, in a way accessible to people in average financial stature, is to put them on different CPUs (hello dual and quad socket server boards). Thanks to the prevalence of inexpensive ARM and Risc-V based single board computers, although this requires advanced skills with operating systems and relevant tooling this is practicable (as ugly as it is).

              There are some new general purpose processors made from ISA that don't use any form of speculative execution. These may be undoing decades of bad-assumptions cruft. Those who deserve these processors won't wait for retail channels to deliver them.

  • nanolith 1 day ago
    I've used OpenBSD as a laptop daily driver for nearly 20 years. It's small. It remains mostly consistent between updates. In fact, it's so stable that I barely notice changes when I upgrade until I go hunting for them.

    The Lenovo laptop I use as my travel laptop and console display is a 2012. It still runs OpenBSD just fine.

    • abc123abc123 1 day ago
      Is it possible to get a modern filesystem with openbsd or are they still stuck in the past? Also, is it possible to run openbsd without jumping through hoops on a laptop from 2025 including suspend, graphics, web browser?

      I want this to be the case, because the more Linux petrifies, the more a free BSD option is needed.

      • tylerius 1 day ago
        GeFS is in the works. I hope it gets into the tree some day:

        https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20260918115729

      • nanolith 1 day ago
        By default, OpenBSD uses FFS / FFS2. There is an effort in place to port GeFS (from 9front) to OpenBSD. It's unlikely that ZFS will be ported to OpenBSD, due to licensing incompatibilities. For the same reason, btrfs is also unlikely. That's why I run FreeBSD on my big server, and OpenBSD on my laptop and other edge devices. I don't really have any issues running FFS on a laptop; it seems overkill to run anything more advanced than that.

        I'd recommend taking a look on forums to see what other folks are running. If it's a modern Lenovo with integrated graphics or an AMD GPU, it will be supported before others. OpenBSD folks tend to use Lenovos. My best recommendation is to pick a laptop that a core maintainer is using, unless you feel comfortable making your own patches. They have AMD GPU support via DRM from Linux. Intel graphics typically works alright.

        OpenBSD works well with relatively recent versions of Chromium and Firefox. That being said, they are on a six month release cycle. The Chromium port can fall behind if you stick to -stable or releases. Building Chromium or Firefox from source is... well, I have a 2012 laptop, so that's not something I am going to do. Regardless, you'd need to be pretty comfortable with applying OpenBSD specific patches to one of these browsers, which isn't always obvious, especially since they are moving targets.

        If you're used to being on a rolling release Linux, this will be a bit disorienting. But, in my opinion, it's significantly more stable and better thought out.

        • ninjin 1 day ago
          > OpenBSD works well with relatively recent versions of Chromium and Firefox. That being said, they are on a six month release cycle. The Chromium port can fall behind if you stick to -stable or releases.

          Just to clarify here, security patches are backported to -stable. So it is not like you stick to the same browser release for six months.

          Personally, I run www/firefox-esr. In part because the ESR moves more slowly in general and in part because it is maintained by someone working for Mozilla.

        • abc123abc123 1 day ago
          Excellent answer. Thank you very much. I will keep this in mind when the next life cycling of my current laptop happens. I will keep an eye on the core teams laptop experiments as well if there's anything about that available. Will search the mailinglists.
      • t-3 1 day ago
        OpenBSD usually has far fewer hoops than Linux on laptops - IME, either it works or it doesn't. Pretty much any x86 machine that isn't bleeding edge is going to work.
    • jmclnx 19 hours ago
      AOL 'me too' here :)

      Same here, but 10 years (6.1). The T420 I have is also my travel laptop. pledge(2) and unveil(2), which is in firefox, makes me feel even more secure while away from my home router.

      Upgraded to 8.0, started it, made tea during download, ran sysmerge(8) amd pkg_add -u and done.

  • gucci-on-fleek 1 day ago
    Does the version number going from v7.X->v8.0 mean that this is a larger update than v7.8->v7.9, or does the numbering just automatically roll over to the next major version when it reaches vX.9?
    • synack 1 day ago
      No, the major number has no special significance to OpenBSD. 8.0 is just what comes after 7.9.
    • himata4113 1 day ago
      as linus torvalds puts it: big numbers confuse me, so the next kernel version will be 7.0
      • tosti 1 day ago
        He ran out of fingers and toes to count on. (Wait, what comes after 19.19, or 20.19, 20.20, then what?)
        • creshal 1 day ago
          By that point medicine will be sufficiently advanced that we can graft new fingers on him, obviously. That'll also make him more productive, given he's an emacs user.
        • JohnKemeny 1 day ago
          Linux Vice City and then Linux San Andreas.
      • Razengan 1 day ago
        Did they ever have a Linux 6.9?
  • netrikare 21 hours ago
    I was always curious how does (Theo's?) rack in the basement look like nowadays. How it changed? New machines added/removed?
    • SoftTalker 20 hours ago
      I don't know how his basement rack looks but they are continuing slowly eliminating old architectures with almost no surviving hardware or that are unsupported by Clang. Loongson was eliminated in this release.
      • somat 20 hours ago
        It is largely if there is someone interested in maintaining the port. My favorite port is the luna88k an obscure Japanese unix workstation/server from the early 90's. I don't know how common they were in Japan, rare is my guess, and non-existent elsewhere, but there is one(only one as far as I can tell) dedicated Japanese developer willing to put the work in to keep it current. and every release a month or two after the official release he announces that the package build is done(it takes that long on the hardware).

        I don't know how many users of luna88k there are, I don't frequent anywhere near the same ecosystem they would, but have never seen one, So from my point of view it is one person making releases for himself and I love that dedication. I don't have, nor do I want a luna88k, but it great that it exists.

        So as far as I can tell that is all it takes to have a published obsd port, one person willing to put the work in.

  • zdw 1 day ago
    In recent past releases there was a noticeable improvement to SMP related networking bits.

    Does anyone have benchmarks between 8.0 and previous releases in that department?

    • ninjin 1 day ago
      I run -current these days on most desktops. What I can say is that since 7.9, I have experienced smoother audio playback and system load overall on my decade-old laptop. So, it is likely that others will experience similar things when moving to 8.0.
    • somat 1 day ago
    • ksec 1 day ago
      Phoronix do test BSDs from time to time. But for different reasons I think OpenBSd missed twice. I hope to see the performance gap being close enough we can stop thinking it is very slow.
  • RetroTechie 19 hours ago
    Noticed that OpenBSD includes some really ancient versions of GCC and Binutils. Found this page (2021) explaining why:

    https://www.cambus.net/the-state-of-toolchains-in-openbsd/

    • anthk 15 hours ago
      Outdated since Clang/LLVM it's in base.
  • idatum 1 day ago
    I have a Lenovo laptop running OpenBSD 8.0.

    What I really appreciate about it is I started with OpenBSD 7.6. Using sysupgrade, I went through every release (and syspatch) and just now successfully upgraded to 8.0. It still works great!

    • prmoustache 1 day ago
      I like OpenBSD, but I don't think this is a specific reason to appreciate it as any decent OS these days has been upgradeable release upon release safely for more than 2 decades, regardless if it is a linux distro, an Open/Net/FreeBSD system, a macOS or Windows system.
      • regularfry 1 day ago
        That's pushing the timelines a bit. I had more than one early Ubuntu completely hose itself on dist-upgrade pre 16.04, despite it being based on Debian for which such things have never been a problem for me. Until 22.04->24.04 my rule was always to reinstall as a result.
      • idatum 23 hours ago
        Zero configuration conflicts/issues the whole time?
    • asimovDev 1 day ago
      I agree that it's great but as an anecdote, I have an arch linux laptop i upgrade 1-2 times a year and it still works too, been that way since 2019 so went through major kernel upgrades without a hitch. Only thing that ever broke were nvidia drivers sometimes because it's an shudders OPTIMUS laptop. Last time I updated it, vibe coding wasn't widespread yet so I am wondering if new package versions will finally kill it if I were to upgrade it now
    • somat 1 day ago
      I have an old(mutters to self don't look at date then I will feel old... Oh god it's from 2012) lenovo laptop that is my daily driver for portable ops. I run openbsd on it and... well it's perfect. sleeps perfectly, radio works well, I understand the OS. I will be very sad when it dies.

      I did just re do the heatsink compound, so hopefully it has many years left, but I worry about the fan.

    • kombine 1 day ago
      Well, I've used Fedora since 2024 on my laptop and it went through four or five major upgrades, never had an issue.
    • stackghost 1 day ago
      >What I really appreciate about it is I started with OpenBSD 7.6. Using sysupgrade, I went through every release (and syspatch) and just now successfully upgraded to 8.0. It still works great!

      This is table stakes. Debian has had this since, IIRC, 1999.

  • elric 1 day ago
    The release song is a banger, as always.

    https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#80

  • rootnod3 1 day ago
    MP support for VMM/VMD is huuuuge.
  • robalni 1 day ago
    I find it quite annoying that I have to have a monitor plugged in for the upgrade to work. Otherwise it reboots into the old version after downloading. Is this a common problem?
    • efxhoy 22 hours ago
      I have a similar issue, my router won’t reboot without a monitor plugged in to the hdmi port. Displayport worked fine during the installation. It was clever enough to not work with a dummy hdmi dongle either.
    • dontdoxxme 1 day ago
      I have seen it, upgrades use a cut down kernel (bsd.rd) which doesn’t have the same graphics drivers.

      You may find setting the console to serial works around it (set tty com0 in /etc/boot.conf).

  • hollowonepl 1 day ago
    Good job and much clearer release notes than the ones I was reading about recent Linux release by the way.. much more informative and better organised to understand the impact in practical terms. #BSD_hellyeah
  • bemtevi 1 day ago
    It would be cool if we could run this thing on Apple Silicon macs. I'm getting tired of MacOS and would love an alternative to Linux.
    • cavoirom 22 hours ago
      OpenBSD support M1 and M2 chips.
  • MycroftJones 1 day ago
    When I read the Changelog I had to check if it was April Fools day. Is this a real OpenBSD release? Feels early. Also, many of those changes don't sound like real OpenBSD changes.
  • kstrauser 1 day ago
    Anyone managed to get this running on a 2018 (Intel) Mac Mini? I tried 7.8 or 7.9, I forget which, not long ago and was flummoxed.
    • jon128 1 day ago
      Have you tried

        http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/using.html
      
      ?
      • kstrauser 22 hours ago
        I haven’t. Has that worked for you?
        • jon128 21 hours ago
          Since 2010, every hurdle I have encountered booting FreeBSD, OpenBSD, illumos, and Linux on Apple's Intel Macintoshes has been overcome with rEFInd by Rodsbooks.

          If you have one of Apple's Intel Macintoshes with a T2 security chip, you may want to do a search with ChatGPT through one of the free portals out there to boot something "foreign" to what Apple's secure boot with the T2 security chip already recognizes.

          When putting together rootfs on top of what others would consider to be "complicated", reaching for rEFInd when I should probably have run a small PXE server off a Pi did speed things up. rEFInd has been a good general purpose bootloader, simple tool.

          In my aged existing familiarity with rEFInd, its docs may not spoon feed you the answer but if you know what you're looking for and what you want to do can be done, you'll find it.

  • volkadav 1 day ago
    The upgrade from 7.9 to 8.0 went completely smooth on a bastion host I have running with openbsd; from start to finish it took about ten minutes. Kudos to the team!

    https://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade80.html

    tl;dr - doas sysupgrade, system updates itself and reboots, doas sysmerge, doas pkg_add -u.

  • paulnpace 20 hours ago
    > Added Lua patterns(7) support for relayd(8) filter rules; improved glob(7) documentation.

    > Added ECDSA support to the relayd(8) CA privsep engine.

    These are really fantastic.

  • wg0 22 hours ago
    Has anyone good luck with OpenBSD on Intel Macs?
  • diskinsight 1 day ago
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  • jan_m_savage 1 day ago
    like a virus, slop will infect the techsphere, and it will become a real pain in the bollocks to siftt thru the mountains of semi-slop just to get to the real, reliable and human-made stuff.
    • reliablehuman 1 day ago
      Reliable human stuff? Holy shit, I want whatever you are smoking.
      • brunorro 1 day ago
        I'm smoking natural gas to move the turbine that generates electricity so an overpriced GPU filled up with overpriced memory can give an interesting answer to this post :)
      • unsungNovelty 1 day ago
        Wait... I thought you were one??!!!
    • Razengan 1 day ago
      > Reliable human-made stuff

      My guy.......

      • jan_m_savage 1 day ago
        Humans make predictable mistakes, AI makes unpredictable mistakes. Hallucination occurs where you least expected for ANY reason. Can you say the same about humans? Unless the human in question is mentally ill.

        The loudmouths who think I'm wrong are simply not sophisticated enough to realize how LLMs actually work. It's just pattern-matching and heuristics-based at that. The day AI produces a painting like a famous human painter, I'd be impressed. Until then, it's meh.

        • Zambyte 1 day ago
          > The day AI produces a painting like a famous human painter, I'd be impressed.

          What does "like" mean to you here?

        • Razengan 1 day ago
          > "I'm sophisticated enough to realize how LLMs actually work"

          > "AI is unpredictable"

          *thumbs up emoji*

  • grommz 1 day ago
    >Switched ssh(1) from supercop ed25519 to libsodium

    Lol. Casually switching crypto implementation somewhere in the footnotes.

    • blodorn 1 day ago
      https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2026/10/06/2

      > * All: switch the fallback implementation of the ed25519 signature algorithm used when libcrypto is disabled from SUPERCOP ed25519 to libsodium. The libsodium implementation includes a number of strictness checks over the original reference implementation we have used to this point and a more ergonomic API.